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notepad Sep 06, 2008, 11:00:22 PM #1
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Are we all going to die on Wednesday?

Article from: Sunday Herald Sun


Michael Hanlon

September 07, 2008 12:00am

THE majority of scientists say we have nothing to fear, but there are others who are not so sure.

The minority have raised the spectre of two nightmare scenarios, two ends of the world.

They fear a "black hole" - sucking in all matter - may be created when a huge machine is switched on deep below the Swiss-French border on Wednesday.

In the first scenario, there is little warning.

For maybe a month, there would be no sign that life was about to come to an abrupt and nasty end for us all.

Then, earthquakes would start unexpectedly, alerting geologists to something terribly and unimaginably amiss.

After a few days, the seismic disturbances would reach catastrophic proportions.

Cities would be levelled and swollen oceans, in a series of mega-tsunamis, would slam into the continents' coasts.

The fact that the earthquakes were striking randomly, instead of along well-known geological fault lines, would be proof something devastating was afoot.

Finally, the end would come, in a disaster of Biblical proportions.

Earth would start to crack up; molten lava would wash over the land and the seas would start to boil; mega-hurricanes and cyclones would level buildings and forests; eventually, mountains would crumble as Earth's crust continued to disintegrate.

The fabric of the planet would start to disappear, trillions of tonnes of rock, water, air and life sucked into a whirlpool of unimaginable force.

From space, our blue-and-white home would appear to vanish down a plughole in a flash.

At least in that scenario we would have a little time, perhaps, to come to terms with the end.

But a second doomsday scenario is even more terrifying, with no warning.

In an instant - about 1/20th of a second - Earth would simply vanish from space.

Less than two seconds later, the moon would follow.

Eight minutes later, the sun would be ripped apart, followed by the rest of the planets in the solar system and onwards, a wave of destruction caused by a rent in the fabric of space itself, spreading out from our world at the speed of light.

Certainly, such scenarios are unlikely, so why should we be even discussing Armageddon? Because a gargantuan machine - the biggest, most expensive scientific experiment in history, the Large Hadron Collider - will be started on Wednesday.

But even though designed to answer the fundamental questions of life, some scientists have claimed it could destroy the cosmos.

This gigantic $8.6 billion-plus atom-smasher has been built under the Swiss-French border near Geneva and is the most powerful device built for probing the secrets of the atom and the forces and particles that make up our universe.

It is a staggering device, occupying a train-sized tunnel 27km long, buried 100m underground, studded with gigantic, cathedral-sized, ring-shaped detectors where collisions between packets of "heavy" subatomic particles, "hadrons", reveal workings of matter and energy.

The LHC is, arguably, the most impressive machine built by mankind.

But a few people are convinced that it should never be turned on.

A lawsuit has been lodged at the European Court For Human Rights by a small group of maverick scientists.

They claim there is a small - but not zero - chance that when the LHC is activated it will create a mini-black hole, which would fall into the ground and swallow the Earth from within (scenario one), or, more bizarrely, trigger a catastrophic chain reaction in the very fabric of space and time - ripping apart the entire universe like the skin of a bursting balloon (scenario two).

Strangely, the group, led by a German chemist called Otto Rossler, is using the European Convention on human rights to argue that, should the LHC destroy the universe, it would "violate the right to life and right to private family life".

In fact, since 1994, when the collider was first mooted by the multi-national European nuclear research organisation, a small number of doomsayers have claimed that by replicating the conditions pertaining at the start of the universe (Big Bang), about 13,700 million years ago, there would be a small, but real, risk of an unstoppable cataclysm.

That is not a threat taken seriously by the scientists at CERN.

When I visited the place a couple of years ago, to see the collider being built, any mention of mini-black holes and other risks elicited only raised eyebrows and shrugs of derision.

The LHC was not designed to destroy the universe, but to fill in embarrassingly big gaps that run through our basic understanding of physics and how the universe works.

It could discover, for instance, what most of the universe is actually made of.

The ordinary "stuff" that we see around us - the atoms and molecules of water, carbon, iron, oxygen and the rest that make up our bodies, planet Earth, the moon, other planets, the sun and all the stars - actually accounts for only about 1/25th of the total "ingredients" of the cosmos.

Astronomers know that something else, invisible and mysterious, must pervade every inch of space, its subtle gravity affecting the movements of the galaxy.

This material - no one really has a clue what it is - is dubbed "dark matter" and it is hoped the collider may shed light on what it is, possibly uncovering a new type of particle.

Perhaps more embarrassingly, we do not know what it is that gives even ordinary matter its mass.

In the 1960s, British physicist Peter Higgs proposed the existence of a new particle, now known as the "Higgs Particle", which effectively lends "weight" to the stuff of the universe.

So important and fundamental is this hypothetical entity that it has been dubbed the "God particle".

It is hoped that if Higgs is right, the collider could finally clear up this mystery and, as a result of its super-powerful collisions, traces of this particle could emerge. That alone would justify a big chunk of the huge outlay.

By simulating the Big Bang, it is hoped the LHC will act as a "universe in a test tube", allowing scientists to examine exotic sub-atomic particles and forces and go some way to completing the work started by Einstein and other giants of 20th-century physics.

So is there really a chance that the scientists have made a terrible miscalculation and that their new toy could inadvertently kill us all?

Happily, the answer is no.

CERN's scientists have commissioned safety reviews, such as those that have taken place before other big particle accelerators have been turned on.

All have concluded there is no measurable risk.

Perhaps the best argument against the LHC doomsday scenario is that cosmic rays - natural high-energy particles from space - smash into Earth's atmosphere all the time with far more energy than this machine generates.

Fascinating stuff , however  do we really suppose humanity is so daft as to create their own demise by turning this machine on?

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notepad Sep 07, 2008, 12:26:48 AM #2
Well at least they had the sense to build it near the French border so the French would be the first to be sent hurdling into the afterworld. That would be fitting for the most snooty country in the EU.

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notepad Sep 07, 2008, 05:54:27 AM #3
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Well at least they had the sense to build it near the French border so the French would be the first to be sent hurdling into the afterworld. That would be fitting for the most snooty country in the EU.

 roflmao The poor French. It always has being a question of mine as to why they were allowed to ressurect their country after ww2 ? After all its not as if they ever contributed anything to earn such a right.. The way they pander to so many of the worlds a holes  begs  disbelief.

This story is truly extraordinary..

the media grab is bizzare

and the event itself  will be incredulous, should France lead the world in anything, whatsoever, much less lead us out of this world, simply defies logic... roflmao

 

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notepad Sep 07, 2008, 07:58:12 PM #4
France can lead the world in bad fashion, smelly perfume and girls who don't shave their armpits.
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notepad Sep 09, 2008, 09:51:31 PM #5
Just in case our readers take the doomsayers talk seriously
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Large Hadron Collider won't doom Earth - study


From correspondents in Paris September 05, 2008 12:00pm

   

    * World's biggest particle accelerator declared safe
   

PEOPLE who fear a powerful atom-smashing machine, due to start operations next week, will cause Earth to be gobbled up or reduced to grey goo can rest assured, according to a new study.

The Large Hadron Collider (LHC) has been shadowed by internet-fuelled concerns that it will release energies so powerful that it will create a rogue black hole that will engulf the planet, or a "strangelet" particle that would transform Earth into a lump of strange matter.

But the new report, written by the machine's maker, claims these fears are unfounded.

It said the LHC will replicate collisions that already occur naturally when Earth runs into the path of high-energy cosmic rays.
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"Nature has already conducted the equivalent of about a hundred thousand LHC experimental programmes on Earth — and the planet still exists," it said.

The assessment was written by five physicists at LHC's operator, the European Organisation for Nuclear Research (CERN) in Geneva.

CERN has asked them to take a fresh look at a safety assessment written by its scientists in 2003 which first gave the project the green light.

The LHC, installed in a circular 27km tunnel on the French-Swiss border, is to start unleashing a beam of protons early next Thursday in the first stage of its commissioning process.

Two parallel beams of particles, one going clockwise and the other anti-clockwise, will blast around the underground ring.

At four locations on the ring, superconducting magnets will bend the beams so that groups of protons smash into each other in a giant chamber which is swathed with detectors to record the resulting sub-atomic debris.

This invisible rubble could help resolve some of the biggest questions in physics, such as the nature of mass, the weakness of gravity and whether, as some theoreticians suggest, there exist dimensions beyond our own.

The new Safety Assessment Report said any black holes produced by the collider would be "microscopic" and decay almost immediately, as they would lack the energy to grow or even be sustained.

"Each collision of a pair of protons in the LHC will release an amount of energy comparable to that of two colliding mosquitoes, so any black hole produced would be much smaller than those known to astrophysicists," the report said.

As for the hypothesised "strangelets," the report referred to data from the Relativistic Heavy-Ion Collider at the Brookhaven National Laboratory in New York to say that these would not be produced during collisions in the LHC.

The review is published in a journal of the Institute of Physics, London.

France has also asked a French watchdog agency, the Nuclear Safety Authority (ASN), to carry out a safety appraisal of the LHC.

On August 29, the European Court of Human Rights, based in Strasbourg, France, tossed out a last-ditch legal bid to stop the LHC's switch-on.

The suit had been filed by a group of European citizens, led by a German biochemist, Otto Roessler, of the University of Tuebingen.

The LHC will begin operation on September 10th.
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notepad Sep 09, 2008, 11:36:50 PM #6
All of this hadron doom talk  puts the real issue aside.

Will this very expensive piece of equipment  even do what it is designed to do? Not acording to Stephen Hawking ahom has put up a miserly £50 bet that the Hadron experiment will  will not find an elusive particle seen as a holy grail of cosmic science.

That sort of puts a dent in the Hadron's reputation.

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RENOWNED British astrophysicist Stephen Hawking has bet £50 ($110) that a mega-experiment this week will not find an elusive particle seen as a holy grail of cosmic science.

In the most complex scientific experiment ever undertaken, the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) will be switched on this evening (AEST), accelerating sub-atomic particles to nearly the speed of light before smashing them together.

"The LHC will increase the energy at which we can study particle interactions by a factor of four. According to present thinking, this should be enough to discover the Higgs particle," Professor Hawking said on BBC radio.

"I think it will be much more exciting if we don't find the Higgs. That will show something is wrong, and we need to think again. I have a bet of 100 dollars that we won't find the Higgs," said Prof Hawking, whose books including A Brief History of Time have sought to popularise study of stellar physics.

At 6.30pm (AEST) the first protons will be injected into a 27km ring-shaped tunnel, straddling the Swiss-French border at the headquarters of the European Organisation for Nuclear Research (CERN).

Physicists have long puzzled over how particles acquire mass.

In 1964, a British physicist, Peter Higgs, came up with this idea: there must exist a background field that would act rather like treacle.

Some scientists were however more optimistic.

Hubert Reeves, the Canadian astrophysician, told the Swiss daily Le Matin that the invention could bring "unexpected results'' that would change the world of particle physics forever.

"This machine will probably bring unexpected results that could turn particle physics on its head,'' Dr Reeves said.

"It's a really impressive tool. It can go as deep underground as the length of a cathedral," he said.

Particles passing through it would acquire mass by being dragged through a mediator, which theoreticians dubbed the Higgs Boson.

The standard quip about the Higgs is that it is the "God Particle" - it is everywhere but remains frustratingly elusive.

While questioning the likelihood of finding Higgs Bosons, Prof Hawking  - the Lucasian Professor of Mathematics at Cambridge University - said the experiment could discover superpartners, particles that would be "supersymmetric partners'' to particles already known about.

"Their existence would be a key confirmation of string theory, and they could make up the mysterious dark matter that holds galaxies together,'' he said on the BBC.

"Whatever the LHC finds, or fails to find, the results will tell us a lot about the structure of the universe,'' he said.
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notepad Sep 10, 2008, 01:28:15 AM #7
why all r so angry with french roflmao

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notepad Sep 10, 2008, 02:04:40 AM #8
The people doing the experiments are actually in Sweden and I saw on the news today that it was going to take them 17 weeks to get the atoms up to speed before they can smash them together..

and to think, George Bush was worried about Iraq and Iran when it was really the Swedes who were building a massive underground nuclear device that will swallow the earth.

aniroy, as far as the French go - have you ever met a Frenchman you liked ?   roflmao roflmao

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notepad Sep 10, 2008, 11:54:46 AM #9
havnt met any frenchman yet Smiley
but if i meet any real beauty from france i would surely like her whether she has saved her armpits or not  roflmao roflmao Cheer

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