Bloodletting America - FICO, Predatory Lenders and the Credit Crunch
The story reprinted below is from a thread on the MyFico forums and exemplifies the dire straits many middle class, hard working Americans are finding themselves. Between predatory lenders, borderline corrupt credit reporting agencies and a political lobbyist agenda that strives to alienate the middle class from the privileged, more and more honest families are finding themselves in financial quicksand with no place to turn except to use credit to keep themselves from being dragged down into the mire.
Considering the fact a gallon of gasoline has broken the $4 per gallon average this summer, regardless of the fact crude oil made a sharp U-turn and slid to $133.50 in the afternoon hours (Kitco story here), the fact is American consumers are being blindsided by overwhelming gas prices, inflation, potential economic recession and a government that refuses to do anything about it except pretend that the crisis doesn’t exist.
The following story is indicative of the average, middle class person struggling to survive in today’s social, political, economic disaster that has not properly been addressed by our current leaders nor either of the current potential candidates (Obama and McCain) or their respective political parties, yet it the situation expressed below is a reality to countless Americans stuck in the same rut trying to keep their FICO scores above water.
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After a recent post encouraging a low-scoring forum member to be hopeful, several people have asked me how I got my FICO score from 420 in April to the 600s today. Hard work, patience, and diligence, as well as asking many questions on this forum, have been my salvation. Not to say I haven’t slipped – I got so excited a few weeks ago when my FICO hit 668, and applied for a CapitalOne Auto Loan and a Best Buy card (it was my birthday), and my score started slipping downward because of those new inquiries. I need to not beat myself up over those decisions, but oh well, you can’t change the past.
To set things up, I have had a contentious relationship with credit for the last few years, barely holding onto some subprime credit cards before their unmentionable fees overwhelmed me and led to the cards’ closure. I never really relied much on credit cards because I could never qualify for more than $700 on one, although I did get a $1500 Best Buy card a few years ago, which was closed/charged off after I couldn’t keep up with payments. I used to have a Dillards, Marshall Fields, and Sears card, but they all got closed due to delinquent pay patterns as well. These were all reporting well, as long as I made minimum payments each month, but I had too many, and the many minimums maxed me out, and I was never making any progress on the principal. Now the only card I have of any kind of revolving credit is my Target card. I also have moved four times in five years for employment opportunities, and each one dried up almost as soon as I arrived, usually due to downsizing. This constant moving placed my already tenuous financial status into a constant state of disrepair. It also meant that I was leaving a trail of unpaid utility bills in my wake, which eventually got sold to collection agencies. I even had a “pay to stay” rental situation which shows up as an eviction/public judgment from 2003 on my credit reports. Last summer (like a lot of people), I found myself having to choose between gas and other payments. Unfortunately, gas prices meant I delayed making my car payments. I started to get behind, and once I did, I never recovered. I tried to trade-in my vehicle for another one, but that just resulted in tons of hard pull inquiries that benefited me nothing. Then I ended up refinancing the car, but even the refinanced amount was too high, with gas prices still in the upper $2s, lower $3s, coupled with the fact that I was commuting 60-70 miles a day, 6 days a week, in an SUV that got 21 mpg tops on the highway (oy). Then I had to move to a new apartment (mine was being turned into condos, so there were all the moving expenses and utility deposits due). So nothing was really working in my favor at the moment. Ultimately, I had gotten myself into a state of mind a couple of years ago in which I just didn’t care about my credit, plain and simple. I figured that my situation was so bad, how could it possibly get any worse? That cavalier attitude led me to ignore important deadlines and settlement offers that would have kept things off of my credit report. It also relegated me to nights where the phone wouldn’t stop ringing for hours as creditors and collectors called over and over again. I resigned myself to always having bad credit and never owning a home, which made me bolder (and somewhat stupider) in my own taunts of the creditors that were calling me. I now know that some of this was due to anxiety and depression, but some was just plain stubbornness. Then in March, my 2003 Ford Escape was repo’d, and I all of a sudden discovered just how important good credit was, when I couldn’t even get into a used car for less than $3000-5000 down, and those were subprime loans in which I was paying the bank $2000-3000 to approve the loan, BEFORE the cost of the car. This became the tipping/turning point for me, and it opened my eyes to the seriousness of my situation. I began monitoring my credit at that point, and was shocked as what I found. I started out around 457 in late March, and after some more attempts to get into a car loan in April, it dropped to the aforementioned 420. I got my FICO Score through the 30-day free trial of ScoreWatch, and then did the same for TrueCredit. I have since subscribed to both of these services, but it was invaluable to have a parallel comparison of all 3 credit report accounts (TrueCredit), as well as the comparison of a FICO score and a FAKO score. As part of ScoreWatch, I became addicted to the FICO Forum, and learned most of what helped me there. I had let several of my student loans go without applying for deferrals, so they were reporting past due, but thank God not in default yet. There were several erroneous accounts that were not mine, as well as accounts that I had paid, but were showing as still open and unpaid. Far too many collection accounts with unpaid balances. I called Target and made a payment arrangement with them, just to keep the card open and active, so that it could help me later on if I needed it to, as my sole source of revolving credit and good credit-building power. The first thing I did was comb through the free credit reports I received (annualcreditreport.com), and mark any accounts I didn’t recognize as mine. Then I found any erroneous late pay notations. I disputed these sets of items right away, and several of these errors disappeared very quickly. Step one should always be getting rid of obvious errors – personal information, addresses you don’t recognize, accounts that don’t belong to you, duplicate reporting, etc. But I think the most important thing I did to monitor my success was creating an Excel spreadsheet of all of the derogatory items on my credit reports. I had columns for: • The name of the creditor • The name of the original creditor (if the account on the report was a collection agency) • The amount of the debt (even if it was zero – paid off/charge off) • Date reported • Expected date it would drop off my credit report (this takes some math and research at times) • Which credit reporting agencies reported the debt (this was a small detail, but became very important as time went on) I also made a similar chart that included all of this info for accounts that I had received correspondence about from collection agencies or creditors that had not yet appeared on any credit reports yet – this was to become my reporting prevention list. These charts allowed me to track what I owed (totally and individually), and monitor when things would start to drop off (and how many). Ultimately, it was a hard look at the reality of my situation. But when I realized that, apart from the student loans – which were now in deferral or the process of being deferred, I only owed $12000 max, it made me realize that this was too low a number to consider bankruptcy. I made a plan to set aside $100 per week in a savings account to use for credit repair – this amount has taken a bit of a beating because of a settlement with Ford I arranged, but that single settlement (if I paid them 50% of my deficiency amount remaining after the sale of the repo’d vehicle, they would consider it paid in full and remove the repo comments from my credit reports) has actually reduced my total bad credit debt to less than $5000 now! The $100 a week allows me to look at my chart and see what accounts might be paid off completely with $100-300; those accounts I attempt to Pay for Delete – See Tuscani’s sample Pay For Delete (PFD) and Goodwill (GW) letters; they will help you through hell and high water. I did the math, and if I continued my credit repair savings account, it would allow me to pay off between $2000-4000 a year, which meant that after the Ford settlement, I could get all of my bad credit accounts paid to zero (and work out PFD and/or GW plans) within a year and a half. Some sacrifices would have to be made, yes. And the collection agencies don’t like hearing me say this, but I do and I stick with it, “I have drafted a plan to get out of debt by the fall of 2008, and your account is included in that plan, but you’re not the account I am working on at the moment, so you will have to be patient, but you will get your money.” Part of my plan also involved joining the credit union at my job. Many benefits, not the least of which was automatic overdraft protection for my checking account up to $500. USE WISELY! I have also created an Excel spreadsheet and chart function that allows me to enter my daily TrueCredit scores as well as my FICO score updates, and it may not seem to be much of an increase daily, but it does continue to go up. This is more detailed than it should be, and probably not as detailed as it could be, but this has been my journey so far, and hopefully it will be enough of a shock and build enough good fiscal habits that I can keep moving steadily towards fiscal solvency. Hope this helps. |
If you’ve read this far, you are probably interested in the thread this story came from. It contains numerous accounts of how the big corporations, lenders and governmental agencies are bleeding this country dry and profiteering while a generation of young Americans are laying their lives on the line for this country.
Have we become a nation of apathetic souls who have lost direction so much that we’re herded not unlike lambs to a slaughter? Is there no dignity left in being an American ?? As long as we allow these events to transpire on our watch, we will be selling out the future generations to follow us.

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by Ace
Predatory lenders? Puhlease. Who forces anyone to sign on the doted line? Chirp…chirp…..
Who was it that forced lenders to make funds available to those unqualified for a regular loan? Who now cries about those ‘unable’ to repay these loans? Hint: The same people.
I forgot. It’s all the ‘big corporations’ fault’. What a ridiculous non-answer for everything you think is wrong with America. How about putting the blame where it lies? Blame the people who took out loans they could not afford.
Someone irresponsibly buys a car or house they cannot afford and you blame the lender, the government and anyone but the person responsible.
Typical. Boo freakin’ Hoo.
by C4G
You probably don’t even know what the term predatory lender means. Go look it up and learn something instead of dumping on other people for expressing their opinions.
FYI, a predatory lender is a lender who aggressively *SOLICITS* consumers with poor credit scores and offers them minimal lines of credit (usually less than $500) *knowing* the chances are that the consumer will eventually default. Guess what Ace, the lender then spends several months using a collection agency trying to collect the debt and by the time that period is over, the $500 the consumer defaulted on has all of a sudden jumped to $1500+ because of over-limit and non-payment fees.
In the end, the lender taps the FDIC to cover what was initially less than a $500 line of credit and they put a claim in for their inflated losses, plus agency fees and other fees which ends up being a $2000-$3000 bite out of the American taxpayer’s pockets to insure these predatory loans.
Ever wonder why people with bad credit get card offers from companies like HSBC and Capital One on a daily basis but people with good credit rarely ever get offers in the mail ??? Doh !! Credit card companies don’t make money on people who pay their accounts in full at the end of the month, why ? It’s something called “interest”. Maybe you need to look that one up also.
Pull your head out of your anus for long enough to do your research before you spew your conservative Republican BS.
by Michael Cooper
Ace,
Before you pat yourself on the back too hard, please listen to my story.
My wife and I both have Masters degrees and we were making a combined income of over $140K per year. We never used credit cards, we bought a reasonably priced home and paid off our mortgage early in ten years. We never bought a new car, always choosing to buy a 1-2 year old used car. We never lived beyond our means and we were saving so we could enjoy early retirement in our 50’s.
That was all fine until our eight year old daughter was diagnosed three years ago with a dysgerminoma which is a very rare and agressive brain tumor. No expense was spared and my wife was forced to quit her job (and lose her pension in the process) to shuttle our daughter to Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles for the best care money could buy. After a year of treatment, including numerous surgeries and chemotherapy, our health insurance provider dropped us and our savings were tapped. We were forced to apply for credit but none of the major lenders wanted to extend us a reasonable line of credit du to the fact our credit scores were weak because we had never established a history of using credit. Reluctantly, we were forced to take two mortgages on our home and accept several high interest rate credit cards to cover medical expenses.
Our beloved daughter passed away in her sleep in July 27th 2006 and we were left with over $300K in debt. We blame nobody for our situation and we are working to pay off the debt in a timely manner but now our dreams of early retirement and our precious daughter are only a memory.
Let this be a lesson to you my friend, a lesson that you probably will never understand unless it happens to you and I wouldn;t even wish it on somebody as condescending as you are.
by ~B~
Ace probably still lives with his parents and drives the 1980 station wagon his grandmother gave him so he could go to his job at McDonalds.
You can tell from his comment “Predatory lenders? Puhlease. Who forces anyone to sign on the doted line? Chipr Chirp..”
This is a kid who has never carried a mortgage because if he had he would know that there are two parties involved in “signing on the dotted line”, the borrower and the lender. Both are equally responsible for the life of the loan. Greedy mortgage brokers were passing $300K+ loans to people with a household incomes of under $50K per year which is why the banks had to borrow money from the Chinese and the fed had to keep cutting rates.
Predatory lenders ???? Puhlease Ace, you need to go buy a copy of “Economics for Dummies”.
by Ace-Nemesis
Whazzamattuh Ace Wacey ??? mama take your bah bah away ?? boo hoo baby waby. whaaaa whaaaa
Mean old blogger make baby maddy waddy . whaaaa whaaaa whaaaa
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by instant car loan
The article has a great insight. Would like to know more on these topics. It is a terrific eye-opener.
by Chris Hutcherson
householders owe as much as the entire economy can produce in a year, 100% GDP !