We just received the suprising announcement that CEP has just acquired 4NewbiesMarketing from Israel and the program has frozen cashouts and upgrades for the moment until the transaction with CEP is complete.
Hi, Everyone! 
We just wanted to let you know that 4NewbiesMarketing has come under the CEP umbrella and is now a CEP Company. They came to us for some financial assistance, and Israel, the administrator there, impressed us with his integrity and dedication. Thus, it is with gladness that we welcome 4NewbiesMarketing into the CEP family as our first official CEP franchised site. Over the next several weeks, we will be paying the members of 4NewbiesMarketing until they have earned their entire 130%, and then we will move their site to our servers and implement our code to start their program fresh and on the right foot. Israel will maintain all of the customer support and advertising of the program, and we will manage the money and continue to make sure that 4NewbiesMarketing remains a strong, stable company under the wing of the CEP Family. Welcome, Israel, 4NewbiesMarketing, and all the members therein. We are glad to have you as a part of our growing community! Trevor |
A member of Code4Gold forums was kind enough to find this post from Israel on MMG forum and repost it…
4newbies
post Today, 10:33 AM
Post #1147
MMG Member
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Some people will never be happy no matter what you do. that is a FACT.
The minimum cashout will be .$01, beginning next Friday.SO top worrying about that. If I, Israel, and CEP said that no one will lose money, then no one will lose money.
Please keep in mind that I have been doing this for almost a year and have NEVER screwed over anyone. If you decide to not continue supporting 4Newbies after you are paid your rebates that is your decision to make.
I would love to have you on board.
Also, the TEMPORARY changes I outlined in the email are TEMPORARY until the transition is made over to CEP.
Temporary Changes:
-The max rebate will be set to 2% a day until EVERY ONE is paid in full. -PLEASE KEEP VIEWING ADS in order to earn 130% on all current ad packs purchased.
-All pending cashouts due today, March 7th, have been paid.
-All other pending cashouts made today are disabled(denied) and upgrades are disabled as well.
-There will be no more compounding.
-Cashouts can only be requested once every 2 weeks and that is what is paid on every other Friday
-Cashouts will be made every other Friday begining next Friday, March 16th, until all members are paid in full 130%.
Once everyone is paid in full, the current PatsPro script will no longer be utilized and the CEP switch over will begin. I will keep you up to date with the progress and with any other technicalities that may arise.
I do advise to not go joining any programs with no transparency, fake aliases as names and only accept egold. If you do, you are asking to be scammed. Especially now.
This post has been edited by 4newbies: Today, 10:35 AM |
I am personally disappointed in the performance of this recent crop of programs based on DesertSkyMarketing (which is also in limbo) profitshare model and I’m glad I didn’t fall for a NewDawnArising or LucreShares and the other programs Dustin and Israel have been promoting. These programs were supposed to be based on a business model, and transparency was assured, however, I fail to see the real nature of the business other than the profitshare model should be renamed the profitskim model because it seems only the admins and their closest friends (hhhm, other admins) actually walk away with any profit in these programs and the money seems to be flowing through a certain group of admins who are attached at the hip.
As far as autosurfs merging or getting sold to other autosurfs, let’s get real people, these are not real companies, they are not filing the proper paperwork necessary to transfer a business and they are surely not filing the sale with the IRS or any government agencies. Everybody who was involved in XLO and has seen the subsequent results of the transaction between Bob Krimm and Andy probably has the same feeling I do with this announcement regarding CEP acquiring 4NewbiesMarketing. It’s not that I am against CEP, I’m certainly not, but if I wanted to join a “network” of programs I guess I would have joined Tri-Star, however, it’s against my best personal judgment to join more than one program from any particular admin.
Call me old fashioned, but every time I break my rules, I end up eating my biggest losses and with 4Newbies, it’s now going to take me 5 times longer than anticipated to just get my initial money back and I personally don’t like it when these type of changes are implemented. The admins can quote their TOS and other rhetoric, however, the real truth is that they were selling “Ad Packs”, and advertising thrives on a positive, stable enviornment for advertisers. Creating a void of desparity in an “advertising” program devalues the advertisers purchase. Now, let’s delve further into this cost effectiveness in the 4NewbieMarketing advertising model… Here’s an update from Israel on March 6th stating 4NewbiesMarketing had acquired it’s first “Corporate Sponsor”. I assume this update was nothing more than a tactic to get more people to upgrade before the switch. If you wonder what I mean by “switch”, well, it’s the old scam “Bait and Switch”, where the con baits the vicitim and pulls a switch on them…
| The members of 4Newbies Marketing are amazing…that means YOU are amazing!
I have the pleasure of saying that I have secured the first corporate advertiser for 4Newbies Marketing. I will be setting up the advertising for them soon, as well as announcing who it is. We also have plans for more advertisers, big and small. So Stay tuned.
I have been out most of this week on business, which has not given me much time to be online answering support tickets, making hourly cashouts, posting in forums, etc. Rest assured I will be caught up by tomorrow on all tickets.
Some forums are posting that cashouts are late, THEY ARE NOT. I will be completing the rest of the pending cashouts tonight. Please keep in mind 2 things:
1) You have 1 business day from time of cashout to be paid, 7 business days if transfers need to be intiated between processors.
2) More and more members are upgrading via one processor and cashing out to another. If this persists, a transfer fee will need to be implemented (since 4Newbies is eating that fee).
Lastly, several members have addressed the compounding issue and we wish to possibly install some proactive measures to avoid common compounding pitfalls. It is pretty simple to understand: when you compound you are are essentially cashing out (being paid) and upgrading at the same time. But, the script is not registering this as such.
We had the option to disallow compounding or charge a 1.5% fee for compounding. I think it would be better for all (members and the program) to add the 1.5% compouding fee. As of midnight server time tonight, I will be adding the 1.5% compound fee. So instead of the processor collecting that fee, we will start to collect it. You still save .5% over cashing out and re upgrading, so we all benefit.
I am aware that some of you may have been charged a 2% fee for compounding during the last couple of hours. Please submit a ticket and I will credit you for that fluke. Thanks.
The goal is to further cement 4Newbies Marketing’s foothold and thus further cement your place in the online marketing world. 4Newbies is a permanent entity not a venture and its goal is to create permanent relationships with our members. Tertiary plans include to “niche-bust” the market. The first step in making our members more money as well as making that income permanent and residual is to ensure that our member base grows, reaching demographic groups foreign to the online marketing world. We must command more members, members that would have never thought of 4Newbies as an advertising/income source. The more members are attained, the more lucrative commissions and higher percentage rebates will be for you the member.
Visit http://www.4NewbiesForum.com for all the latest on 4Newbies Marketing.
Peace,
Israel
4NewbiesMarketing
4NM Media, LLC |
Now, does that sound like an email from an admin who one day later announces that he needs financial help from CEP to solidify his program? No, this message seems like a program admin that has things under control. Does anybody have any questions what was going on here? Well, the first question I would like to pose to Israel is “Who is the Corporate Sponsor” and how do they feel about the program doing a 180 degree turnaround? I don’t think I would want to sponsor a program that had just bait and switched it’s members, but maybe the Sponsor is Tony Soprano or Scooby Doo… I hate to tell Israel that Nvus taking ads for EMarketCafe does not constitute a “Corporate Sponsor”… 
I also found this post from Israel on MMG and found it quite funny….
4newbies
post Today, 01:02 PM
Post #1167
MMG Member
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There are certain things that cannot be left up to members, especially certain types of members. because those certain types will do whats in their best interest and not whats in the best interest of all. with that i will not be responding to any more questioning of my admin capabilities.
no one is losing money. isnt that what concerns most of the “certain types” of members?
the point of being an admin is making the best decisions for all involved, not just for the admin, or a member, but for all. |
I couldn’t help replying to Israel…
Now, I’m merely asking a question so don’t take offense, but to paraphrase you’re statement “certain type of members will do what’s in their own best interest”, is it not logical to assume “certain type of admins will do what’s in their own best interest”? Furthermore, if there are “certain” kind of members, then that means there is more than one type, and the old statement goes, “You can’t please everybody”, so by common assumption of these fundamental principals, it is impossible to “make the best decisions for all involved”…
I personally don’t like changes and I don’t like it when an admin assumes to know things about the people who sunk money into his/her program. I like things run fairly and if an admin can’t let things run their course, then offer refunds or close shop.
So I guess to me the problem is “certain types of admins”, not “certain types of members”…
Again, this is merely my opinion, if you don’t like it, well, I don’t like the changes.
’nuff said…
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